Tuesday, June 25, 2024

A History of Violins (1973-1979)

Recent listening to British  proto-punk bands spurred an interest in British rock violinists of that era.

Jean-Paul Crocker was an original member of Cockney Rebel, and played on the first two albums (1973’s Human Menagerie and 1974’s Psychomodo).  Crocker and the rest of the band quit after a dispute over songwriting, and Steve Harley formed a new group to back him.  (Harley died in March of this year.)

After Eno left Roxy Music, Eddie Jobson joined on keyboards and violin, appearing on Stranded (1973) through Viva! (1976).  Jobson then helped form UK, launched a solo career, played with Zappa and more.

Billy Currie played violin and keyboards in Ultravox, beginning with the three 77-78 albums of the John Foxx era.  Currie also worked with Visage and Gary Numan.

Simon House played keyboards and violin with Hawkwind from 1974 (Hall Of The Mountain Grill) through 1979 (PXR5).  You can hear him on "She Blinded Me With Science", Tin Drum, Bowie's Stage and LodgerThe Quietus points out that Simon plays a "snaking Arabic melody" on Lodger's "Yassassin" that is similar to his performance on Hawkwind's "Hassan-i Sabbah".

Urban Blitz (aka Geoff Hickman) was a member of Doctors of Madness (an undersung but influential British pre-punk band).  They made their three studio albums (1976-1978).  Urban Blitz played lead guitar and violin, and he treated his violin with effects including distortion, wah-wah, phaser, and reverb. He later became a designer of violins. (Urban Blitz and Doctors Of Madness vocalist Richard Strange are pictured above.) 

Bobby Valentino played violin and mandolin with the Fabulous Poodles (who were new wave via pub rock). Bobby was known to play violin with a talk box as well as other effects.  He has enjoyed a prolific career as a solo artist and in the band Los Pistoleros (with Martin Belmont and BJ Cole). He's done studio and live work with artists ranging from Mad Professor to Mark Knopfler. You can hear Bobby on the one hit wonder "Shiny Shiny"!

I didn't find any decent American rock bands with a violinist in the 70's -- it was an instrument consigned to hippies, jazzbos and rednecks. Beginning in the 80's, the violin was reclaimed by TuxedomoonTupelo Chain Sex, Gogol Bordello, the Geraldine Fibbers, Lisa Germano and today's young sensations the Callous Daoboys.

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27 comments:

  1. What is Tupelo Chain Sex? Has anyone tried it? Was it painful? Don't feel pressured to answer these questions. Here's the link:

    https://tinyurl.com/HxViolins

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  2. Tupelo Chain Sex? WTF?! But it looks like an interesting vinyl only 80s band ;-)
    Thanks for the violin collection, cool idea!
    Another candidate for a follow up collection might be violinist Hugh Marsh, his 1987 album 'Shaking The Pumkin' features Robert Palmer on vocal: Purple Haze!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck9FuapWTmY

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    1. Nice suggestion, thanks! Here's a Wikipedia page for Tupelo Chain Sex (so you can avoid any NSFW search results).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupelo_Chain_Sex

      You can also download Richard's generous share, which includes three albums: Spot The Difference, Ja-Jazz, and 4!

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    2. If I do an 80's followup, it will definitely include The Raincoats, Kenny Brady's violin on The Fall's "Extricate" album, and maybe some Tiny Lights.

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  3. So jazz-ROCK with violin isn't rock enough, for example, Mahavishnu's Birds of Fire, to have a place as violin-rock? McLaughlin played blues-rock and Zappa too. JLPonty and Jerry Goodman aren't as rock violinists as EJobson? Neither Didier Lockwood or Darryl Way? King Crimson with violin isn't a jazz-rock outfit, almost a heavy metal band, PFM(had at least three - Pagani, Bloch and Fabbri) and Gentle Giant are more examples of violin-rock. You are excluding the rock part of fusion, fiery rock. Could be Jimi playing violin with Miles if he had time to do it. Papa John Creech is a hippie, maybe Darrel De Vore from SF's The Charlatans? Don't think so. I like your blog, Jonder, but these violin thing is too much of a stretch selection. You forgot violin at Metal too (tristesses de la lune, Celtic Frost, 1986 and so on). Greetings. Try some Gnarly Rock Violinists Solos. Folk-rock too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sltk270PiM

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    1. Greetings! Honestly, I was joking when I dismissed American bands with violins as "hippies, jazzbos and rednecks". I guess you could call it trolling, because I figured somebody would respond with Ponty or It's A Beautiful Day. I totally forgot about The Charlatans, but they predated the 70's. I'm not familiar with some of the folks you mentioned. Sugarcane Harris joined Tupelo Chain Sex, so I can't label him a hippie.

      I appreciate your comment, and it sounds like you have a real appreciation for rock violin. There are some great players on this compilation, and I hope you will check it out. The last name I mentioned in my post (Callous Daoboys) is a current Atlanta band influenced by math rock, a bit chaotic to my ears, but musically ambitious and definitely metal.

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    2. Ok, Jonder, didn't think it was a kind of not correct joke. Gentle Giant has In a Glass House album and PFM (short for Premiata Forneria Marconi) haviolins Chocolate Kings, Live (Cook in US), Jet Leg and Passpartú as violin rock (others are more folkprog). Mauro Pagani is a melodic composer of soundtracks, really nice, not rock out of PFM. About The Charlatans reference, do you know free improv Pygmy Unit with Devore? That's not rock, worth a listen. Folk rock has lots of great violinists, but more folk than rock. Ara Tokatlian of armenian heritage fuses it nicely. Don't remember but I think SoaDown someone plays the violin, couldn't find the reference. The collection is nice, thank you. Forgot VU's JCale.

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    3. Completely unfamiliar with Devore's Pygmy Unit, but I see they made an LP in 1974. SOAD are Armenian, and Serj has done some classical composition, so maybe there is the link? I used to get the Wayside Music catalog (now completely online), so a few names from prog, Canterbury and ROIR are familiar -- which reminds me now that Fred Frith played some violin in Henry Cow and Art Bears.

      One thing I know we can agree on is that violin is an incredibly expressive instrument, with an infinite range of tones as well as the variety of attacks (for lack of a better word) that a musician can employ with the bow, or by plucking the strings with fingers. It is an important part of so many folk musics from around the world -- and even more if you think of all the bowed instruments that are "cousins" of the violin. As an amplified rock instrument, it can be as exciting, lyrical and visceral as the electric guitar.

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  4. I know the Hawkwind, Roxy Music & Bowie tracks. That's enough to get this for some new music. About this time I was also listening to Doug Kershaw & Byron Berline. But that is more country oriented. Thanks jonder for this new collection.

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    1. You're welcome! The original Ultravox (before Vienna) was a totally different beast. The album Ha! Ha! Ha! is a classic.

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    2. https://myzuka.club/Album/519168/ultravox-ha-ha-ha-1977
      https://myzuka.club/Album/456449/the-psychomodo-1974
      https://myzuka.club/Album/811832/Doctors-Of-Madness-Late-Night-Movies-All-Night-Brainstorms-1976

      Three amazing albums to stream or DL!

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  5. John Cale is a fiddler, Tupelo Chain Sex, WOW band, yeas I have a dead bad 10" and a few downloads
    https://www.imagenetz.de/hbKND Still Missing their first "What Is It" album. Can rip the ten inch if you grow hardcore.

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    1. Cale shouldn't be ignored, especially when talking about proto-punk, and he is Welsh. My bad! Thank you so much for the Tupelo Chain Sex share. I bought Spot The Difference when it came out but haven't heard their other records. I collect 10" records but read a bad review of theirs somewhere. Tupelo Joe was kind of the Dan Hicks of the punk scene? Crazy, fun stuff -- thanks again and again!

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    2. Here is Tupelo Chain Sex - Record Breaker 10'' in wav. info on discogs, where you will also find a bad review.
      https://www.imagenetz.de/eZjnK

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    3. THAT's where I saw the review that stopped me from buying the 10" -- now I can hear it for myself! If I ever find "What Is It", I will be sure to share it with you, Richard!

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    4. Well, yes, sure -- but not just Richard: me, too if possible!

      Now, funny thing about the actual "History Of" mix (thanks for that, btw): all of the groups are bands that I've liked for decades -- and I now remember borrowing the first two Doctors of Madness records from someone at school -- yet I'd never previously thought about the fact that all of these groups featured the violin.

      As for Tupelo Chain Sex, I was pleasantly surprised to see this recent flurry of activity, as I used to know some of the members of that, let's say, project. I had moved from England to the Los Angeles area in the later 1970s, when "the scene" was diverse enough to include quite a few neo-rockabilly outfits along with the more predictable punk, glam, and rock type groups. I would run into Joey Altruda at record swaps and the like, and we became pals even before he started playing rockabilly (though he'd been hanging out with and learning from bona fide jazz musicians pretty much since childhood). And then, through Joey, I became acquainted with Limey Dave Dahlson, as well as with Levi Dexter (who ended up appearing as a guest artist on the first TCS record). I had also met the guitarist Jeff Poskin independently; he played in various rockabilly and blues outfits around town, and he'd recorded on Ronny Weiser's Rollin' Rock label with a band called the Magnetics. Let me further mention a certain it's-a-small-world connection to Don "Sugarcane" Harris: He was from Pasadena, where I've lived ever since moving to the US! But I would never have expected to come all the way over here in search of some gratuitous proto-punk violins and suddenly find everyone chatting about folks whom I used to know in person.

      What's burning my, um, carapace at this very moment is that, like others in this conversation, I don't seem to have access to "What Is It" -- yet I'm craving another listen now that everyone's put me in mind of it. Oh, well.

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    5. Crab Devil is steamed, folks! Help us out if you can -- who's got that first Tupelo Chain Sex album? I tried Soulseek last night without success. But then again, it's almost impossible to find sex on the internet...

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    6. On a serious note, it's very cool that you knew those guys! From listening to "Spot The Difference" I would not have guessed that rockabilly was their shared musical background (Don "Sugarcane" Harris excepted). Musically, it's all over the place -- but now that I think about it, you gotta have some serious chops to play the fast stuff!

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  6. Now you got me thinking. Zappa didn't do decent rock with Jean luc Ponty, The Flock were way too hippie happy with their fiddling, Pearls Before Swine on third and fourth album. Yes apart from Zappa and the Velvets there is a lot of hippy, jazzy, cuntry stuff

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    1. I tried to focus on a time period in British rock when glam and pub rock evolved into punk and new wave. Members of the Damned, Adverts, Skids and Sex Pistols dug Hawkwind and the Doctors Of Madness, and in Steve Harley's odd enunciations you can hear an influence on Johnny Rotten. Bowie and Roxy influence all of them, and Gary Numan was a big fan of Ultravox.

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  7. My father played violin to us on occasion as children. When I think of "who dunnit" as Jimi H. and I like to say, automatically hands down the violin band who played regularly in our First Ave club scene was Camper Van Beethoven but later it was in our local supergroup Golden Smog with Jessy Greene. Here's Discogs: Jessy Greene
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    Multi-instrumentalist, singer and songwriter, started playing violin as a four-year old prodigy. Has toured with Foo Fighters, P!NK and The Jayhawks. Born in western Massachusettes, she began her musical career in Los Angeles, and then moved to St. Paul, Minnesota in 1997 where she owned and operated Ravenstar Records and Ravenstar Studios, Minneapolis, MN. Has now returned to Los Angeles. You guys really got my back bringing all these old posts together.

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    1. Argh, how did I forget Golden Smog, CVB and the Monks Of Doom? Jessy Green was in the Geraldine Fibbers too. Thanks, ViacomCMD!

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  8. Dirty Three and Andrew Bird have practically made the violin a respectable indie lead instrument this century. Looks like another winner!

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    1. Warren Ellis of the Dirty Three is a formidable fiddler indeed! Somehow the mention of Andrew Bird sparked a few brain cells and reminded me of Walter Steding, which in turn made me think of Arthur Russell -- but Arthur played cello.

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    2. And when we allow cello, we have to get Tom Cora in and than... oh, maybe cello is a good idea

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    3. Yes! Lead it off with Nick Drake's "Cello Song" and call the comp "The Jealous Cellist" or "They Call Me Cello Fellow" -- or even "You Can't Spell Cello Without ELO (and if you tried it would look funny and nobody would be sure how to pronounce it)"

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  9. Today I remembered Jorge Pinchevsky from Argentina.
    info:
    https://www.discogs.com/artist/415282-Jorge-Pinchevsky?superFilter=Credits

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